Black Templars Emperors Champion. This is a project I’ve been working on for a while now and I’m finally done I think :D C&C most welcome as this will be going into a local competition so any opinions are most welcome :)
Many masks of Jason Voorhees.
We aren’t given a clear information about Orcs in the Fourth Age and beyond. It’s been stated that the entire force of Sauron was destroyed by the end of the War of the Ring (especially in the weeks following the Battle of the Morannon) but I’m pretty sure not every single Orc in Middle-Earth was in the Battle of Morannon at the time.
Tolkien stated that Orcs were not exactly wholly evil in their own right (at least, they didn’t invade and raid in large numbers or posed serious threat to the settlements of Free Peoples) and that without a Dark Lord to serve, they scattered into small groups and did very little damage, if they did any at all. That seems to be the situation during the years between War of the Last Alliance and War of the Ring. But I reckon they would even be more harmless after the War of the Ring than they were during the Watchful Peace, since their numbers would have dwindled considerably.
I don’t remember the source (if anyone does, please let me know!) but I’ve read somewhere that small groups of orcs still dwelt in the Misty Mountains after the War of the Ring. But they posed no real threat to the lands of Free Peoples after Sauron’s fall. I imagine (this is my opinion only) that those who were able to avoid being hunted were a very small number that they eventually died out.
Yes, the main hypothesis is that they mostly lived in the Misty Mountains and did not harm to any of the lands around them after the fourth age.
As for the Uruk-Hai, you gotta dig a little deeper. Uruk-Hai is an orcish phrase that means ‘orc-folk’, much like Olog-Hai is an orcish/black speech phrase that means ‘troll-folk’. -Hai is the word for folk, so most words that are followed by it mean folk of some kind. So you have the Uruk’s of Isengard, which of course were bred by Saruman, and are commonly referred to as the Uruk-Hai, but you also have the Black Uruk’s of Mordor, who were around for much longer and were also referred to as Uruk-Hai.
So, as for Saruman’s Uruk-Hai, it is highly unlikely that any of them at all survived. Dunelending’s were the only prisoners taking at Helm’s Deep, and any Uruk-Hai that ran into the forest was as good as dead. Since it is said that Saruman ‘emptied out’ Isengard, that means that most if not all of them were in the army that marched on Rohan. Now, some of the bands could have side tracked, could have been out elsewhere, but it is highly unlikely they survived for very long after the war of the ring or the return of the hosts of Eomer back to Rohan, being in a very large and hostile country, and as we can see from the way they treated smaller orcs, most likely not welcomed in the Misty Mountains. Any Uruk-Hai left in Isengard, including the breeding pits, was most likely killed by Ents or the drowned in the flooding of the Isen.
As for the Black Uruks of Mordor, they were captained by the Mouth of Sauron, and I can’t remember the citation, but apparently they guarded the gate of the tower of Barad-Dur itself. Many of them died at the Black Gate, having traveled there from Barad-Dur, and unless they were sent to try and get to Mount Doom along with the Nazgul, many if not most probably perished when the tower collapsed.
At this point, the theory can be looked at that those Orcs that did survive, include the Orcs of Moria [since the Longbeards had to under take a campaign to win back the Dwarrowdelf], the Orcs of the Misty Mountains, and possibly could include the Morannon Orcs and some of the Black Uruks. We have to remember that Mordor wasn’t exactly a godo land to try and colonize, and that it is possible that any Orcish camps or caves in the deeper parts of the country may have survived or been undisturbed for a very long time.
We also don’t know how deeply the tunnels of the Misty Mountains or the dwarvish tunnels of Moria that were most likely expanded on by the Orcs go. So there is a very real possibility that the Orcs that survived merely went deeper into the world, living closer to the roots of the mountains, much in places like Goblin Town and where Gollum’s pool was.
Now, this does eventually point to the extinction of the Orcish race, but unfortunately, we don’t know much about how they breed or how long it takes for the fetus of an orc to gestate, or how many are born. It could be one at a time for Orcs, or it could be a litter. And since they aren’t above cannibalism…
[A lot of this is speculation because I don’t have my books with me. But there ya go.]
NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR CAPS. PHOENICIAN SPELLS. ARAMAIC SPELLS. LANGUAGES MUGGLES DON’T KNOW ANYMORE THAT HAVE BEEN PRESERVED THROUGH WIZARDING SPELLS IN LITTLE POCKETS OF THE WORLD. SOURCE LANGUAGES NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO ADAPT OR CHANGE ANYMORE BECAUSE THE LANGUAGES HAVE DIED AND PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO CAUSE LIKE, A NUCLEAR FALLOUT. IM SO EXCITED THANKS FOR THIS.
#WOOOOOO#literally all i wanna do is write a wizarding series set there#and to explore the prejudices of not only class difference and blood difference#but also religious differences and how that affects their magic#and instead of a ministry theres the monarchy#and djinn instead of ghosts#and just ARABIC FOLKLORE /throws rainbow sparkles/#im gonna die#harry potter#language#linguistics#ARAMIC SPELLSSSS#headcanon that bc they use the older/oldest languages middle eastern witches and wizards have no need for wands to channel their magic#bc it’s so pure and strong#ANOTHER HEaDCANON#pets allowed to be brought to school include and are not limited to: sphinxes. fennec foxes. golems.#desert wolves too#basically go big or go home with school pets (the-writers-ramblings)
Witches in secret pockets of Morocco who’ve been casting spells with ancient spices long before wands came about. Warlocks in Egypt who knew the double, magical, meaning behind hieroglyphics. A dead language? Latin and Ancient Greek have NOTHING on hieroglyphs. The veritable cacophany of ideas and spells and magic that the trading routes brought in. The Phoenecians with their many-striped sailboats proudly displayed Persian potion ingredients alongside spelled fishing nets woven by Palestinian wizards. Syrian magical folk meet Greek ones, and realize they can best communicate in the Ancient Greek all serious magical students learn. Curly heads bent over ancient spellbooks, and people stare as they converse in a language not spoken for hundreds of years.
Excuse you but can we not forget the jewish lore masters, poring over their tomes in hebrew and aramaic, preserved from their exiled homeland into the diaspora.
And the development of a syncretic magic in yiddish that mixes the subtle lore and subtle word power of the exiled levantines with the raw brute force of germanic magics. — how else did the golem?
DIASPORA SYNCRETIC MAGICS
jewish wizards offering house elves clothes in accordance with the slave laws
jewish wizards using golems as grunt labor
Yes to the Yiddish spells, too ;-)
Jewish wizards offering clothing to house elves and then constantly debating among themselves whether using a golem or other magically-created entity with some semblance of sentience for manual labor for years or decades is essentially the same thing as keeping a magical being for the same purpose.
See also: endless debates about whether one can use magic on Shabbat, and what sorts of magic qualify as “work”. Like, does it count if you enchant an object ahead of time?
Also debates over the extent to which Divination counts as the “witchcraft” detailed in the Tanach. Actually, I bet there’d be scholars compiling detailed tractates about which spells are kosher, using extensive biblical commentary.
JEWISH WIZARDS HAVING THEIR OWN EXTENDED TALMUD. HOW HAS THIS NEVER OCCURRED TO ME BEFORE??
Magic is a natural extension of the self; Therefore, one should be allowed to use magic on Shabbos. You might put restrictions on what kind of magic, and brewing potions (even ones that don’t require heat) and using wands…
I wrote a paper for a Harry Potter conference on foreign wizardry and how the systems of magic must have evolved to be completely separate entities that have very little in common. We’re only seen a TINY portion of the wizarding world and for the most part it’s Western European. I like to imagine Bill Weasley had to extensively train for cursebreaking in Egypt, because you can’t just waltz into a tomb, wave your wand, shout Latin and expect it to work.
I also love the idea of foreign magics being a bit wonky in a duel against each other because they’re not quite compatible. Like, it’s really hard to block a spell from a foreign wizard because you don’t understand exactly what you’re blocking against.
God, so many foreign wizard feels.